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Post  tandy on Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:16 pm

I know several folks here that keep or are interested in rat snakes. What is your favorite species and what do you like about them? I'm curious since I deal mainly with our native Texas Rats (I know they're not in OK, LOL), Black Rats & Intergrades, and the Great Plains Rats. I am particularly fond of the Texas Rats just because they're so fiesty (many resources say ill-tempered). I also enjoy finding the Black Rat intergrades because they're like snowflakes-no two are alike.

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Post  Snakeman on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:03 pm

Tandy,

Cameron Hodges will go nuts when he sees your post/question.

Be prepared for a lengthy reply. Laughing

Personally, I have three favorites.

* Corn Snakes (aka Red Rat Snakes)

* Everglades Rat Snakes

* Trans - Pecos Rat Snakes

I've kept or am keeping all three species and they are all great pet snakes.

Corns (except for a couple of morphs) and Trans - Pecos Rat Snakes are also great

program snakes.


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Post  Paul White on Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:48 pm

I really dig the great plains rats--I think they're a neat find in the field and not bad pets.

I like texas rats...interesting body shape, and attitude isn't *too* horrible.

And my favorite? A good yellow rat. Wowser. I'm restricting this to new world rats; if you want to include old world? My chinese king rats are my favorites, hands down. Awesome snakes.

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Post  okie alice on Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:21 am

Maybe if they didn't have the word "rat" in the name, and maybe if they weren't snakes......... I do like all the colors. Razz
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Post  tandy on Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:23 pm

okie alice wrote:Maybe if they didn't have the word "rat" in the name, and maybe if they weren't snakes......... I do like all the colors. Razz


ROFL. Alice, baby steps...

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Post  tandy on Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:29 pm

That's great and I'll be waiting to hear from Cameron. Does anyone have any breeding projects in the works?


Larry, you know I'm not into morphs but you mentioned that a couple of the corn morphs don't work well for programs. Is it like everything else, breeding for color and maybe not so much for temperament? Several dog breeds come to mind. Laughing

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Post  Snakeman on Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:49 pm

I know of no other species of snake that can compete with corns in the number of

morphs.

Check out: http://www.cornsnake.net/photo-gallery.html

There seems to be a color and/or pattern for everyone.

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Post  Paul White on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:13 pm

but you seemed to say some morphs don't workw ell for shows; are some morphs typically crankier than others?

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Post  Snakeman on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:48 pm

Because of my research and discussions with a couple of breeders who are very

knowledgeable when it comes to corn snakes, I've never kept these morphs/hybrids,

so I'm not speaking from personal experience, but there seems to be a temperament

problem with Bloodred Corns and Jungle Corns.

However, with Jungle Corns, you're bringing in "outside genetic factor(s)" from the

California Kingsnake and creating a fertile hybrid.

There may be some other morphs/hybrids that have temperament issues also, but if

so, I'm not aware of them.


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Post  Barry on Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:44 am

Black Rats are the only Pantherophis (or Elaphe for us old school types) native to my area, and I do enjoy keeping one around, if anything, to share with the kids or even a scout group.

Alabama Corn(Red Rat)


Gray Rat


Black Rat
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Post  stormdas on Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:21 am

In my household I've got the ball pythons and carpet pythons, but the girlfriend has been somehow growing her collection of rat snakes. So far it consists of:
0.1 Trans-peco
1.0 Luesistic Gray
1.0 Ghost Emory
1.0 louisanna Gray
2.1 Colorado Gray
0.1 Amelanistic Emory
1.1 Vietamese Blue Beauty
0.1 Tiawenese Blue Beauty
I'm slowly getting over run because the wish list has been given to me for this year lol.

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Post  tandy on Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:51 pm

Barry,
Great pics! It seems there are a lot of rat snake lovers here. Too cool, Tandy
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Post  Barry on Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:06 pm

thanks tandy!
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Post  snakefreak on Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:02 am

Larry, you were correct... lol (sorry about my long absence though. I have been very busy)

Tandy, "ratsnakes" are my absolute favorite snakes! They are extremely variable, they are generally hardy good candidates for snakes to keep and breed in captivity, many of them are quite uncommon in the hobby, and they are usually very active and fascinating!

Here are some pics I have of most of the ones in my collection:


Asian Rat Snakes:

Red Tailed Green Rat Snakes (Gonyosoma oxycephalum)

This is Eden, my 2009 CBB female.


Silver Bullet, my WC gray phased female from Java, Indonesia.


And this is Kermit, my WC male also from Java, Indonesia.

Beauty Snakes (Orthriophis taeniura ssp.)

Sapphire, my 2010 CBB female Blue Beauty Snake (O. t. callicyanous).


My baby female Blue Beauty Snake (Orthiophis taeniura callicyanous)



Midas, my 2009 CBB male Taiwan Beauty Snake (O. t. friesi)

my female Taiwan Beauty Snake (Orthriophis taeniura friesi)


Mocquard's Beauty Snakes (Orthriophis taeniura mocquardi)

This is my male (het for T- albino).


The female (T- albino)


King Rat Snake (Elaphe carinata)

Lucifer, my 2009 CBB male Chinese King Rat Snake (Elaphe carinata carinata)

(same snake)

Broad Banded Bamboo Ratsnakes (Oreocryptophis porphyraceus laticinctus)!

Here is the male (he is about three months old now).


And here is the female (she was only about 3 weeks old when this pic was taken).


Trinket Ratsnakes (Coelognathus h. helena),




American Rat Snakes:
Pantherophis obsoletus ssp:

Pete, my Yellow x Everglades Rat Snake P. o. rossalleni x P. o. quadrivittatus)


My WC (probably a 2009) Black Rat Snake (P. o. obsoletus)


My WC (probably a 2010) Texas X Black Rat Snake intergrade (P. o. lindheimeri x P. o. obsoletus).

Corn Snakes (Pantherophis guttatus)

My sisters male 2010 Okeetee Corn Snake.


My sisters Miami Corn Snake.

Bogertophis subocularis:

My little WC (Christmas Mountain locality) 2010 Trans Pecos Rat Snake.


My sister's male 2009 Trans Pecos Rat Snake.

Mexican Night Snakes (Pseudelaphe f. flavirufa), which are my sister's, but I thought I would post them too! Smile

The male (anerythristic).


The female (het anerythristic).

Tiger Ratsnake (Spilotes pullatus)

Although, these are not really considered "true ratsnakes" because they were never previously placed in the genus Elaphe...


Anyways, I hope you enjoy the pics of the wide variety of 'em. There are soooooo many more out there though!


-Oh, and my pair of Rhino Ratsnakes (Rhynchophis boulengeri), and Red Thai Bamboo Ratsnakes (Oreocryptophis porphyraceus coxi) should be coming in pretty soon!!!! Very Happy
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Post  Snakeman on Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:54 am

Fantastic pictures Cameron.

They are really looking good.

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Post  Zak on Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:18 am

You have an awesome collection. As always nice pictures

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Post  snakefreak on Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:56 am

Thank you Larry and Zak! Smile
I am sorry but very few of these shots are new... lol I just copied and pasted pics from past posts of them and threw them together! lol I need to have another photoshoot of them all sometime soon!
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Post  tandy on Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:14 pm

Forgive the slacker Cameron. Awesome pics! I am considering venturing further into the ratsnakes. I get to deal with so many native specimens that they've grown on me over the years-well except the large adult corn that had to poop down my pant leg every single time I handled him. I was starting to take it personally. I don't know why I called him "Turd." Laughing

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Post  snakefreak on Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:37 pm

Thanks Tandy! I have also many of the native ratsnakes over the years (ie. Great Plains Ratsnakes, Black Ratsnakes, and Texas x Black Rat intergrades). They are all fun, and I very much regret getting rid of my Great Plains Rat a few years ago... I think you would very much enjoy some of the other ratsnakes species!
I personally enjoy the more exotic, larger, and more arboreal species of colubrids best!
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Post  Chu'Wuti on Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:21 am

OK, I'm in love with Eden and Kermit! What gorgeous snakes, Cameron! All of them are beautiful. Yet, for some reason, green snakes of any species really appeal to me, even though I currently don't have any. I used to have Rough Green Snakes, but they are a challenge to keep. Maybe I need to get some rat snakes sometime--IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE REMODELING IS DONE!!!

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